St. Louis Still NL Central Favorites; Reds Lineup Suspect

It’s easy to get carried away with everything the Reds have done this offseason. Mat Latos. Sean Marshall. Ryan Ludwick. Ryan Madson. The Reds beefed their roster by adding substantial talent. And it’s easy to look at 2012 with big ambitions and expectations. But one thing a lot of people are surprisingly not talking about are the World Series Champions. Albert Pujols left the NL Central. The Cardinals didn’t.

Here’s what the Cardinals have going for them. Chris Carpenter. Adam Wainwright (remember him?). Jaime Garcia. Kyle Lohse no slouch either–3.39 ERA last year. And that’s all without Roy Oswalt, who could or could not be a Cardinal by week’s end.

Consider the bullpen too. Remember Fernando Salas? Eduardo Sanchez? Jason Motte? This is a very loaded pitching staff. St. Louis was able to rely on a shut-down bullpen, primarily because the bullpen was well rested. The STL ‘pen finished 18 in bullpen innings pitched. In relation to the Reds, St. Louis’ bullpen pitched over 30 innings less.

But let’s focus on the Reds. Everyone’s excited about the moves, but are they enough? Are we really entering into 2012 confident that Walt has assembled a team that can dethrone the defeding Champions?

I’m not sold.

The Reds will more than likely be starting both Zack Cozart and Devin Mesoraco. Two players that, between the both of them, have a cumulative 87 ABs. Cozart finished with a .324 BA. Devon finished with a .180. We shouldn’t be making any declarations about these two obviously, but that’s my point. Do you know what you’re getting with these two in the lineup?

And what about LF? Let’s envision the Reds’ 2012 lineup for a moment. If I were Baker, here’s who I run out, at this juncture:

1. Phillips
2. Cozat
3. Votto
4. Rolen
5. Bruce
6. Heisey
7. Mesoraco
8. Latos
9. Stubbs

I’m not Tony LaRussa, but I would bat Stubbs 9th for two reasons: a) less ABs, less opportunities to strike out, b) you now have two leadoff hitters. This will never happen in Cincinnati.  That’s a topic for a different article.

But I digress. Look that lineup up and down throughly. How many “question marks” can you find? I have five. Five question marks in a lineup of nine.

Cozart–No clue if he hits .324 or .124 in the Bigs. I know he hit .324 in 37 plate appearances. That’s not even long enough to consider it a hot streak.

Rolen– Back? Health? Bat Speed? .242 BA last season?

Heisey– Bats .309 coming off the bench. Hits .237 as a starter. So which Heisey do we get in 2012? .250 with RISP. Only .252 with runners on any base. Suspect. And batting sixth, he’s going to be in position to drive in a lot of runs.

Mesoraco– Hit .180 last year in 53 plate appearance. We all know how good he’s supposed to be. And once upon a time, Austin Kearns was supposed to be really good too.

Stubbs– K

Five question marks in a nine man lineup. Last year, the burden of scoring rested squarly on the shoulders of Phillips, Votto and Bruce. The Reds will need consistent production deep in the lineup.

And what about the starting rotation? Latos was a phenomenal grab. But this staff went 50-54 last year with an ERA well over 4. All the Reds did was add one arm. So we’re either convincined Mat Latos really turns into an ace and that Bronson Arroyo will rediscover his ability to eat innings and be a serviceable starter, or we acknowledge that there will be a lot of finger crossing in the ensuing months.

Would you double down on this team?

I wouldn’t. I like the Reds to nab a wild card slot, especially because of the additional spots being added this year. But to dethrone the defending World Series Champions would take a positive answer to every question I listed above–I listed a lot of them.

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  • FrankieBrown

    @beeker @TylerGrote

    You have hit the nail on the head w/ the payroll issue, beeker. Just imagine if the Reds had the Cards payroll and vice versa: then WE could have Beltran, not the Cards. That one transactional difference changes the balance substantially, assuming Beltran stays healthy this year. Oh, the travails of rooting for a smaller-market team! :-)

  • TylerGrote

    @FrankieBrown Just to be clear, I mean no disrespect. My words can seem incediary at times, but that’s just my writing style–can irk people. I found your reasoning and points fair, which is the only reason I took the time to respond. I imagine you’ll be one of the better people to talk Reds baseball once baseball is actually being played. If you’d like, you can follow me on twitter @GroteT. Always looking for informed fans who know their stuff to talk some baseball with.

  • beeker

    @TylerGrote Yes, we have gotten well off topic. Is fair to say that Frankie would have rather that Tyler list the Cardinals’ weaknesses too so as to compare strength-to-strength and weakness-to-weakness? Fair enough.

    Is also fair to say that Tyler knows that we are quite familiar with the Reds strengths? Since we fans are prone to overlook the weaknesses of our team, I think he wanted to point out that the Reds are not bulletproof despite the upgrades, and the Cardinals are not all washed up because Pujols is in CA.

    Objections? Clarifications?

  • FrankieBrown


    Tyler, thank you for your kind words. They mean a lot to me. I tend to be rather on the blunt side myself, and am not shy about sharing my opinions, including the ones that have not been thought out very well :-) And let me say that I think your article was well written. In retrospect, I think I spent too much time on the parts I disagreed with and too little time supporting you on the points that I agree with, of which there are many. I look forward to further articles from you in the future, and I join you in hoping for that big season for the Reds!

  • beeker


    Back to the topic, Tyler’s point is a good one. For all that Walt did this offseason, there isn’t enough payroll to remove all the question marks. Will Latos thrive in a small park? How much will two rookies with minimal experience contribute over an entire season? Will Stubbs ever figure it out? Does Rolen still have it? All valid questions.

    The Cardinals have questions too. Will Berkman and Molina regress? Will Wainwright settle in quickly or take a while to get his stride? Can Freese stay off the DL? Can Lohse have two good seasons in a row? Could age catch up with Carpenter, Berkman, Beltran or Furcal?

    But those questions don’t negate the Cards’ strengths. They still have good hitters, a good rotation, and a bullpen that isn’t exactly bad. And in any sport, the champs get the benefit of the doubt. Whoever wins the SB on Sunday will automatically be the preseason #1 come July.

  • FrankieBrown

    @beeker @TylerGrote

    You have hit the nail on the head w/ the payroll issue, beeker. Just imagine if the Reds had the Cards payroll and vice versa: then WE could have Beltran, not the Cards. That one transactional difference changes the balance substantially, assuming Beltran stays healthy this year. Oh, the travails of rooting for a smaller-market team! :-)

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