Non-Tender Market May Yield Surprises


The Cincinnati Reds have done little throughout the Winter Meetings but the result of this appearance of inaction may provide unimagined success in the end result.  But action will ultimately be required.  Let’s take a look this morning at what may be available, what the Reds needs appear to be, and develop a blue print for April.

Infield

  • 1st Base – Joey Votto (signed through 2013)
  • 2nd Base – Brandon Phillips (option picked up through 2012)
  • Shortstop – Zack Cozart (should be ready for Spring Training after season ending Tommy John surgery in 2011, only appeared in 11 games so 2012 will be considered his rookie campaign.)
  • 3rd Base – Scott Rolen (was close at the end of 2011, should be ready in April.  Signed through 2012.)
  • Catcher – Devin Mesoraco, Ryan Hanigan (Hanigan is signed through 2013.  Mesoraco only appeared in 18 games and is still considered a rookie.)
  • Utility – Paul Janish, Juan Fransisco, Todd Frazier

Outfield

The going gets a bit more challenging here.  We can make a few educated suppositions or we can just call them what they are:  guesses.

Relief Pitching and Closer

  • Jose Arredondo – Will be tendered a new contract according to John Fay.
  • Brad Boxberger – Rookie season, just a gut feeling but I think he will make the team.
  • Bill Bray – Will be tendered a new contract according to John Fay.
  • Sam LeCure – Becomes arbitration eligible in 2014.
  • Nick Masset – Will be tendered a new contract according to John Fay.
  • Logan Ondrusek – Becomes arbitration eligible in 2014.
  • Travis Wood – Becomes arbitration eligible in 2014.

Starting Rotation

  1. Johnny Cueto – Signed through 2014 with an option for 2015.
  2. Mike Leake – Controlled through 2016.
  3. Aroldis Chapman – This expensive experiment needs to work.  Signed through 2014.
  4. Bronson Arroyo – Signed through 2013.  Pray he returns to form.
  5. Homer Bailey- Will be tendered a new contract according to John Fay.

You do not need to be much a mathematician to realize that I have listed 26 players.  I would expect who the odd man out becomes will be contingent on the relative health of the Infield and Outfield starting 8.  I expect the Reds will have 12 pitchers and 13 fielders so a fielder needs to be sent down or traded.

So that leaves us with a couple of last questions.

  1. What are the Reds looking for?
  2. Who might be expendable (ie. trade bait)?
  3. Are any players left to fill the voids we have?

The first question is pretty simple. Left Field, Starting Pitcher, and a Closer.  It sounds so easy.

The Reds need a left fielder to hit consistently that is not a defensive liability.  If Yonder Alonso sheds a few pounds from his physique and can improve his defensive footwork, he might be just good enough defensively to warrant making use of his prolific bat.  He just needs to be average, not great.

The Reds are looking for a top of the rotation starting pitcher.  This one is a bit tougher; I penciled in a rotation but Cueto, Leake, Chapman, Arroyo and Bailey hardly inspire confidence.  Cueto’s small frame seems to lend itself to injury.  Leake can be good, but is quite inconsistent.  Chapman is an enigma, the Reds have no need for a $30 million reliever but questions abound whether he can manage 6 effective innings per start.  Arroyo needs to find something he lost.  Control.  Speed.  Ability to keep balls inside the park.  Given his untradable contract, this may be the most vital question the Reds face.  Bailey can be great, and sometimes…he just can’t.  This rotation needs to average over 6.2 IP with an ERA under 4.00 for this team to win consistently.  I am not sure they are up to it.

The closer job is still an issue, Cordero is gone (maybe) and Chapman is moving into the rotation.  This leaves Bill Bray, who is tough on left handed batters but is inconsistent.  Nick Masset is regarded as having good “stuff”, and whatever his stuff was in 2011, it wasn’t fooling as many batters as it should have.  Ondrusek, pitching from on high with his 6’8″ frame should have a wonderful angle to work from but I don’t think he is there yet.  Boxberger looks to get a chance in the big leagues and we all witnessed the success Craig Kimbrel had for Atlanta, but I doubt Brad is ready for that challenge yet.  LeCure and Wood were both effective in relief but I would expect them to both be long men from the pen.  Arredondo is decent, but hardly closer material.  This is still a problem.

So who is expendable…I would think any reliever, Bailey, Wood even Alonso if the right offer is made.  It all depends on what the deal or deals are for.  The only players I think should be untouchable are Votto, Phillips, Cozart, Bruce, Stubbs, Cueto, Leake, Chapman and minor leaguer Billy Hamilton.  If the price is right, everyone else should be marketable.

Finally what is still available is truly becoming intriguing.  First lets return to Left Field.  It looks like Josh Willingham has narrowed his choices to teams not named Cincinnati so forget him.  Baltimore did non tender Luke Scott who has a career LF fielding percentage of .992 but he just didn’t fit the Orioles anymore.  He is a better fielder than Alonso, but probably not quite the hitter that Yonder will be.  Plus I find it difficult to believe he can be signed for less than $4 million so unless the Reds would trade Yonder this does not really seem practical but if they do trade for an Ace.  Scott might fit in perfectly.

Starters available include recently non-tendered lefty Joe Saunders.  Saunders eats innings but is inconsistent.  His ERA in wins is 1.90 and in loses it is 5.83.  You expect wins to be better but this is a brutal split.  He threw 29 HR in 2011 and walked 66 while striking out 108.  He is a number three starter, not an Ace though.

Paul Maholm is cut from the same cloth with the additional advantage that he delivers more ground balls than flyballs.  The cost for that skill is probably a million dollars more than Saunders will fetch but who knows.  The longer they are out there the more the market switches in favor of the team.  I also checked the ERA in wins and losses for Maholm and he manages a 1.07 in wins and a 5.42 in losses.  I decided I need more info about this statistic so I checked the numbers for Johnny Cueto, the Reds apparent ace and he produced an ERA of 0.42 in wins and 3.34 in losses.  2011 Cy Young winner Clayton Kershaw produced a 0.79 ERA in wins and a 6.99 in his 5 losses.  This is an interesting statistic that I may explore more at a later date.  It seems to demonstrate consistency more than anything else.

The last opportunity that is still out their for the Reds may be the most likely and the most beneficial.  The Reds need a bonifide closer.  While most fans of Cincinnati seem to remember with crystal clarity each of Francisco Cordero‘s failures, they tend to forget his successes.  He will be a tough player to replace.  The only other free agent closer available is Ryan Madson but he seems to be gravitating toward the Boston Red Sox.  The Reds can enter the season with Bray, Masset or Ondrusek as their closer but I would expect they will lose 5-10 extra games with any of these gentlemen.  Brad Boxberger might be the fix but don’t forget we are already counting on as many as 3 rookie starters and Aroldis Chapman, who will be a rookie starter if not a rookie in MLB.

I mentioned a few days ago the Reds seem to be back in the divisional drivers seat with the departures in Milwaukee and St. Louis but we have holes that must be repaired if Cincinnati is to make a legitimate run.  Time will tell, but it is starting to run short.

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  • beeker

    CLOSER: I would love to Cordero him back as a Red. I can already hear the howls if Full Pack Jr returns, but his numbers are solid. He must be asking for more years/dollars than makes sense for a 36 yo closer.

    I will be uncomfortable if they give the closer role to Masset or Ondrusek. I might be OK with Bray, but he is the only lefty besides Wood now that Chapman is headed toward the rotation. The market seems more expensive than Jocketty likes for a free agent, and we aren’t hearing much in the way of trades for a closer. So they are going to have to pick one of those guys. I’ll be even less comfortable if they try closer-by-committee.

  • beeker

    STARTER: I am interested in Maholm. He certainly isn’t the ToR type, but he could be solid with some offense behind him. His 3.66 ERA last year. I’m scratching my head over how Saunders could only muster a 12-13 record for a team like the D-Backs with a 3.69 ERA last year. Did he get Harang’ed with no run support?

    Would you give much thought to Wandy Rodriguez? I normally hate trading in the division, but for them its only for this season. He went 12-12 for a horrible team last year. With all of the rebuilding that Houston needs to do, they may more and younger guys than other clubs.

    (Of course, in all this I would still rather have a true ace like Shields or Jurrjens. But the fact that neither has moved tells me their clubs are trying to fleece teams inquiring about them.)

    Do you really think Chapman will be ready to be a starter come Opening Day? What do you think happens to Volquez? He was tended yesterday. Could he still end up being traded to Colorado?

  • beeker

    LEFT FIELD: I may be in the minority, but I would prefer to see the Reds keep Alonso and give him plenty of PT in left. You are right that he has to be able to play at an average level out there, and I think he can with work. He would be perfect protection for Votto, and the Reds will be glad to still have Alonso if they can’t keep Votto after 2013.

    Also, in regards to being one man heavy in the infield, my guess is that Janish is the odd man out. I marvel at his defense, but Frazier can be the backup SS and brings a more complete game.

  • beeker

    CLOSER: I would love to Cordero him back as a Red. I can already hear the howls if Full Pack Jr returns, but his numbers are solid. He must be asking for more years/dollars than makes sense for a 36 yo closer.

    I will be uncomfortable if they give the closer role to Masset or Ondrusek. I might be OK with Bray, but he is the only lefty besides Wood now that Chapman is headed toward the rotation. The market seems more expensive than Jocketty likes for a free agent, and we aren’t hearing much in the way of trades for a closer. So they are going to have to pick one of those guys. I’ll be even less comfortable if they try closer-by-committee.

  • beeker

    STARTER: I am interested in Maholm. He certainly isn’t the ToR type, but he could be solid with some offense behind him. His 3.66 ERA last year. I’m scratching my head over how Saunders could only muster a 12-13 record for a team like the D-Backs with a 3.69 ERA last year. Did he get Harang’ed with no run support?

    Would you give much thought to Wandy Rodriguez? I normally hate trading in the division, but for them its only for this season. He went 12-12 for a horrible team last year. With all of the rebuilding that Houston needs to do, they may more and younger guys than other clubs.

    (Of course, in all this I would still rather have a true ace like Shields or Jurrjens. But the fact that neither has moved tells me their clubs are trying to fleece teams inquiring about them.)

    Do you really think Chapman will be ready to be a starter come Opening Day? What do you think happens to Volquez? He was tended yesterday. Could he still end up being traded to Colorado?

  • beeker

    LEFT FIELD: I may be in the minority, but I would prefer to see the Reds keep Alonso and give him plenty of PT in left. You are right that he has to be able to play at an average level out there, and I think he can with work. He would be perfect protection for Votto, and the Reds will be glad to still have Alonso if they can’t keep Votto after 2013.

    Also, in regards to being one man heavy in the infield, my guess is that Janish is the odd man out. I marvel at his defense, but Frazier can be the backup SS and brings a more complete game.

  • JohnHeitz

    The Left Field situation is in Alonso’s hands. He is working with some of his old coaches at UMiami along with Jon Jay to drop pounds, and develop defensively. His foot speed has me concerned. The fact that Dusty Baker pulled him for a pinch runner more than once for him, occasionally using Miguel Cairo, speaks volumes. I like Yonder, but I would be embarrassed if the coach ever substituted a player 13 years older than me because I was too slow.

    I like Maholm a lot, a ground ball pitcher who got no run support. And he is a great character guy. I enjoy following him on Twitter and I would love to see him in a Reds uniform.

    Cordero seems to be in a bad place, I think he needs the Reds more than anyone in baseball needs him. The musical chairs music has been playing and it is down to Ryan Madson and CoCo. I just think he will be ours by default and I would think he should be grateful for even a one year contract. That said, I like him more than most of the free agent closers that were on the market. The only ones I might have been interested in more were Madson and Bell and I don’t think either would have fit our budget.

  • JohnHeitz

    The Left Field situation is in Alonso’s hands. He is working with some of his old coaches at UMiami along with Jon Jay to drop pounds, and develop defensively. His foot speed has me concerned. The fact that Dusty Baker pulled him for a pinch runner more than once for him, occasionally using Miguel Cairo, speaks volumes. I like Yonder, but I would be embarrassed if the coach ever substituted a player 13 years older than me because I was too slow.

    I like Maholm a lot, a ground ball pitcher who got no run support. And he is a great character guy. I enjoy following him on Twitter and I would love to see him in a Reds uniform.

    Cordero seems to be in a bad place, I think he needs the Reds more than anyone in baseball needs him. The musical chairs music has been playing and it is down to Ryan Madson and CoCo. I just think he will be ours by default and I would think he should be grateful for even a one year contract. That said, I like him more than most of the free agent closers that were on the market. The only ones I might have been interested in more were Madson and Bell and I don’t think either would have fit our budget.

  • beeker

    @JohnHeitz Nice dig from the memory banks, John. I had forgotten that he had been lifted for Cairo a couple of times. Cairo is good for his age, but you are right that a 24yo should be the one replacing the 37yo, not the other way around.

    No thoughts on Wandy? His contract has to be killing the Astros, not that the Reds would accept 100% of his salary. He could be a solid #2 behind Cueto.

    Thanks for the note on Cordero. That puts a little different light on John Fay’s comment that the Reds felt they needed to look in house for a closer. Gotta love the cat-and-mouse game with contracts. :)

  • beeker

    @JohnHeitz Nice dig from the memory banks, John. I had forgotten that he had been lifted for Cairo a couple of times. Cairo is good for his age, but you are right that a 24yo should be the one replacing the 37yo, not the other way around.

    No thoughts on Wandy? His contract has to be killing the Astros, not that the Reds would accept 100% of his salary. He could be a solid #2 behind Cueto.

    Thanks for the note on Cordero. That puts a little different light on John Fay’s comment that the Reds felt they needed to look in house for a closer. Gotta love the cat-and-mouse game with contracts. :)

  • JohnHeitz

    Stay tuned beeker, you got me thinking about starting pitching and I ran some numbers and will have a post up tomorrow on the subject.

  • JohnHeitz

    Stay tuned beeker, you got me thinking about starting pitching and I ran some numbers and will have a post up tomorrow on the subject.