Payroll to Increase for 2012

John Fay reports that Walt Jocketty has told him the Reds payroll will be on the up for 2012. Really, it’s not that big a deal. As Fay points out, Jay Bruce, Joey Votto and Johnny Cueto are due large raises. Fay also asked Walt about the Reds delving into the free agent market. Walt’s reply…”Probably not”.

Great. No moves. Although…

With that as the back drop, the Reds go about trying to fix a club that is destined to finish third in the National League Central — somewhere around the .500 mark.

Jocketty promises that this offseason will be busier that last.

“Oh yeah, definitely,” he said.


Where the hell was that last off-season? The Reds had the personnel to make moves other than free agency, yet nary a one. I’ll believe it when I actually hear and read about it.

Last off-season, we heard two things: “we like our club the way it is” and “people need to go GABP and support the team”. Standing pat can be bad as we all witnessed this season.

Well, the front office made no real moves (none that improved the team anyway) and fans did attend. I heard the ownership wanted 2.2 million fans for 2011. Well, they got it. And you might ask exactly what does that mean for the organization. I’ll tell you…

In 2010, GABP saw 2,060,550 fans go through the gates. This year, that number was 2,213,588, an increase of 153,038. While that is only 1,889 fans a game, it is far more significant than you think. According to SeatGeek, the average price for a ticket to a Reds game (as of August 1st) at GABP was $25.68. The increased attendance at the average ticket cost would equate to $3,930,786 in additional revenues. That’s simply from the added attendance. This does not account for percentages (if possible) from concessions, parking, gift shop, etc. And if all indications are correct, these funds are put back into the team.

Now…the fans upheld a part of the bargain…time to forge ahead and have the front office do theirs. And we know where this is going…

Okay…maybe it’s in reverse order, but I hope you get the gist of this. We went. Now, we leave 2012 in your hands. Don’t make us issue you papers…

Topics: Attendance, Baseball, Cincinnati Reds, MLB, Payroll

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  • dgsapba

    If the budget goes up lets bring in a gm that can make use of the money.

  • dgsapba

    If the budget goes up lets bring in a gm that can make use of the money.

  • Steven Engbloom

    Thing is, it’s not all on the GM. The nature of the beast such as arbitration eligibles and raises due to contracts play a role here as well. They will actually play a big role. Votto, Bruce, Cueto are due nice raises. Those alone may take up the majority, if not all of the increase. I know that sounds like I’m being a bit contradictory as it pertains to main message here.

    Any moves will most likely occur via trades, and even then, dollars will play a prominent role. Deals must make not only baseball sense, they must also make monetary sense. It’s a tough balance in which not only Walt, but the ownership must attempt to control. That’s a disadvantage of being in the second smallest market in baseball.

  • Steven Engbloom

    Thing is, it’s not all on the GM. The nature of the beast such as arbitration eligibles and raises due to contracts play a role here as well. They will actually play a big role. Votto, Bruce, Cueto are due nice raises. Those alone may take up the majority, if not all of the increase. I know that sounds like I’m being a bit contradictory as it pertains to main message here.

    Any moves will most likely occur via trades, and even then, dollars will play a prominent role. Deals must make not only baseball sense, they must also make monetary sense. It’s a tough balance in which not only Walt, but the ownership must attempt to control. That’s a disadvantage of being in the second smallest market in baseball.

  • JohnHeitz

    There is a degree of happy fortune needed for a team in a small market to be successful. If Arroyo can bottle up what he did Wed. night and Bruce and Stubbs can reduce strikeouts by 30 or 40 with a clutch hit here or there and they are right back into it. Injuries a giant factor as well. Cozart returning healthy would be a huge boost. But next year is the year or else I am guessing.

  • JohnHeitz

    There is a degree of happy fortune needed for a team in a small market to be successful. If Arroyo can bottle up what he did Wed. night and Bruce and Stubbs can reduce strikeouts by 30 or 40 with a clutch hit here or there and they are right back into it. Injuries a giant factor as well. Cozart returning healthy would be a huge boost. But next year is the year or else I am guessing.

  • redmachine1975

    Let Cordero go, trade Arroyo for Pete’s sake. Let Phillips go if he demands top dollar. There, I just freed up over 30 million to go get a top tier starter (hello Clayton Kershaw) and a bonafide shortstop that hits leadoff (Jose Reyese). I am guessing that is a 10 game swing right there.

  • redmachine1975

    Let Cordero go, trade Arroyo for Pete’s sake. Let Phillips go if he demands top dollar. There, I just freed up over 30 million to go get a top tier starter (hello Clayton Kershaw) and a bonafide shortstop that hits leadoff (Jose Reyese). I am guessing that is a 10 game swing right there.

  • Steven Engbloom

    @redmachine1975 If you let Cordero go (all indications point that an extension is in the works), who will be the closer? I’m not sold on anyone else in the bullpen could fill the role…even Chapman. The free agent market is not a way the Reds want to pursue.

    If you trade Arroyo, you’re not saving any money. In fact, you’re losing it. The second he is no longer a member of the Reds, he is due $15 million. That’s a clause in the extension he signed last winter.

    Phillips will be a Red at least for next season as Jocketty has already said the Reds will pick up the $12 million option, but both sides are going to try to work out a longer deal. Even if the Reds opt to buy him out, you’re faced with replacing him. Again, I don’t see a viable option currently on the roster that can fill the void. The free agent list isn’t impressive and none of those can match BP’s defense.

    I doubt the Dodgers will entertain offers for Kershaw unless they are completely blown away. Even then, the Dodgers may not be able to do a trade. If the team could emerge from bankruptcy with new owners, one might be able to proceed, but if I were the new owner, I wouldn’t do it. Kershaw is arbitration eligible and I imagine the Dodgers, despite the bankruptcy, will try to do a long term deal. He is a face of the franchise, something desperately needed in LA right now.

    I believe the asking price on Reyes will be more than that of Phillips. He made $11 million this season and will look to make even more. He’ll most likely command at least $40 million for three years. That’s not a contract the Reds can take on.

    Reyes can’t stay healthy either. Over the past three seasons, he played in 36, 133 and 126 games. There’s no question that he can help the Reds offense immensely, but, again, the price will be too high for the Reds.

    A ten game swing won’t really matter as the Reds only managed 79 wins this past season. I honestly can’t see 89 wins taking the division in 2012.

  • Steven Engbloom

    @redmachine1975 If you let Cordero go (all indications point that an extension is in the works), who will be the closer? I’m not sold on anyone else in the bullpen could fill the role…even Chapman. The free agent market is not a way the Reds want to pursue.

    If you trade Arroyo, you’re not saving any money. In fact, you’re losing it. The second he is no longer a member of the Reds, he is due $15 million. That’s a clause in the extension he signed last winter.

    Phillips will be a Red at least for next season as Jocketty has already said the Reds will pick up the $12 million option, but both sides are going to try to work out a longer deal. Even if the Reds opt to buy him out, you’re faced with replacing him. Again, I don’t see a viable option currently on the roster that can fill the void. The free agent list isn’t impressive and none of those can match BP’s defense.

    I doubt the Dodgers will entertain offers for Kershaw unless they are completely blown away. Even then, the Dodgers may not be able to do a trade. If the team could emerge from bankruptcy with new owners, one might be able to proceed, but if I were the new owner, I wouldn’t do it. Kershaw is arbitration eligible and I imagine the Dodgers, despite the bankruptcy, will try to do a long term deal. He is a face of the franchise, something desperately needed in LA right now.

    I believe the asking price on Reyes will be more than that of Phillips. He made $11 million this season and will look to make even more. He’ll most likely command at least $40 million for three years. That’s not a contract the Reds can take on.

    Reyes can’t stay healthy either. Over the past three seasons, he played in 36, 133 and 126 games. There’s no question that he can help the Reds offense immensely, but, again, the price will be too high for the Reds.

    A ten game swing won’t really matter as the Reds only managed 79 wins this past season. I honestly can’t see 89 wins taking the division in 2012.